Tarleton Mannin & Pension Apps

Today’s lesson is to remember to check the same record in different places.  
In my line I have several Tarlton/Tarleton/Tarlelon Mannin’s.  I had been seeing a number of records on other people’s tree that associate one particular Tarlton to a civil war record.  Nothing I had in my records would definitively associate the civil war record with one of two Tarleton Mannins.

Ancestry.com

Tarleton Mannin, b 1844 in Carter, County, Kentucky, is my third great uncle. I have a lot of information about him there is another Tarleton Mannin, born 1841 in Greenup County which is only one county away.  The other family tree records I saw on line ascribed the civil war record to the 1844 Tarlton, however, other than proximity of enlistment I really didn’t see anything that was a definitive link between that record and that person. The compiled Service Record (on Fold3) didn’t help. I had a copy of his entry from the Civil War Pension Index. (From Ancestry)  I figured someone had to have seen something there that definitively associated that civil war record to him. Maybe someone ordered a copy of his pension application. Ancestry.Com had his index card which gives his application and certificate numbers 873304 & 947409 and that he filed it on 14 July 1890. Those are the numbers needed to order a copy of his application from the National Archives.    It costs $80 to order a copy so it isn’t something I’d do for an uncle unless there might be some clear information on an ancestor. 

Image of Tarlton Mannin Civil War Department
Fold 3

Fold 3 is a great site for military records, so I thought I check it out and see if there was anything new there (they add material constantly).  On a whim, I thought I’d see what other pension applications were there.  His brother Enoch was there, but he wasn’t. There was a Farleton Mannin.  Could this be my Tarlton?  Sure enough is was. The Application and Certificate numbers matched with the other document I had. So did the date of filing.  But the Fold3 version indicated that Farleton died Mar 10, 1916 at Sherburne, Kentucky. Right death date, right company and regiment, odd indexing, but clearly my Tarleton. A solid link between my Tarleton and the Civil War Record through his pension application.  I feel comfortable that the Compiled Service Record we have is for Tarleton Mannin, b1844.

I am reminded to check the same record in multiple places if possible. They just might be different.

Bio – Harvey Watson Knight

Biography – Harvey Watson Knight
Harvey Watson Knight was the fourth husband of my great-grandmother, Ida Barber.
He was born on 4 March 1873 in Canada as the third child of Harvey Milton and Mary F. Harsen Knight.
He immigrated to the United States in 1884 and was naturalized in 1894.
Harvey married Ida Barber (Fisher) (Holdsworth) (Montran?) on 27 August 1910 in Detroit.
In 1910, Harvey was a “boarder” with Ida Barber Holdsworth her daughter Madona Holdsworth. And her mother Sarah Barber. Harvey and Ida Barber (Fisher) (Holdsworth) (Montran?) were married on 27 August 1910.
On 20 Nov 1915, Harvey and Ida celebrated the birth of a son, Harvey Milton Knight.  He was clearly named after Harvey’s father. Sadly on 25 September 1916, Harvey Milton died of accidental poisoning of Mercury dichloride.
Family tragedy struck again the following year when on 8 Nov 1917, Ida’s younger sister Eva died of TB.

In September 1918, Harvey registered for the WW1 draft; he lived at 628 Lawndale Ave., Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan. He worked as an engineer for Ireland Matthews at Beard & Chatfield Aves, Detroit, Michigan. He is described as Medium height, grey eyes, and black hair.

In 1920, he still lived at 628 Lawndale, Detroit, Wayne, Michigan, USA (Ward 20). He was working as an engineer at an auto shop.

In 1930, his address is 1456 Lawndale, Detroit, Wayne, Michigan, USA. It does not appear that he moved though. Most of his neighbors are the same as in the 1920 census, so it appears that the street addresses were changed. He still worked as an Engineer at an Auto Factory.

He remained in the same house in 1935 and 1940 where he worked as a Stationary Engineer at an auto body plant.

His mother, passed in 1941. It is unknown when his father passed.

He died at the Ypsilanti State Hospital, Washtenaw, Michigan, USA on 19 May 1942.

He is buried with his wife Ida Mae and his son, Milton in Plot 154, Oak Ridge Section, Woodmere Cemetery, Detroit, Wayne, Michigan.

Review: The Family Tree Problem Solver

Review: 

   The Family Tree Problem Solver:
       Tried-and-True Tactics for Tracing Elusive Ancestors 

Review by Don Taylor

There are very few “brick walls.” I don’t have any.  Don’t get me wrong, I have elusive ancestors whose information I am still searching for.  To me, and I believe Ms Rising would have agreed, to think something is behind a “brick wall” you must be able to say you have “tried everything.”  Until you really have tried everything they are just elusive ancestors.  The Family Tree Problem Solver provides tactics and ideas about how to track down those elusive ancestors.  It gives you so many ideas that you will have a hard time ever saying again that you have “tried everything.” 

There are a few structural problems with the book. Sometimes MS Rising uses clear, concise, numbered, steps to follow and sometime not. I would have preferred a little more consistency in her approach. I also think that on a couple of occasions, she, like many genealogical writers, dives deeper into her specific tree research than is necessary to the answer a question or explain the process.  

That said, the book provides information important for both hobbyists and seasoned genealogists.  She has a nice section on land records, one of my personal weaknesses, and provides some excellent tactics for sorting out same name challenges. She postulates “Rising’s Rule” which reminds us to, “Always assume that there is at least one other person with the same name as they individual you are searching living in that community.” She follows up with some great examples and how to sort them out. 
It is the kind of book that will help the beginner remind the experienced genealogist of things that may have been forgotten to be done. I’ll keep this one with a reminder to read it again in a couple years.
Chapter Titles include:

The First Step – Analyzing the Problem and Planning a Strategy for Success
Finding Births, Marriages, and Deaths Before Civil Registration
Why Does the Census Taker Always Miss My Ancestor?
Consider the Collateral Kin
Your Day in Court
What to Do When the Courthouse Burned
Give Me Land – Lots of Land
Sorting Individuals of the Same Name
Finding Ancestors Who Lived Before 1850
Ten Mistakes Not to Make
Analysis of Evidence

I’ll add, The Family Tree Problem Solver is rated #4 in the Amazon Best Seller’s for Genealogy, Education and Reference books.  For a book that is an update of a previously published book and one that is over a year old in this publication run, being #4 is excellent. Also the average customer rating on Amazon is 4.5 our of 5 which is also excellent.

Definitely worth purchasing, keeping, and rereading. Many thanks to my son for gifting the book to me for Christmas.  I liked it and highly recommend it for others who want to add some tried and true tactics for tracing those elusive ancestors to their tool bag.

The Family Tree Problem Solver: Tried-and-True Tactics for Tracing Elusive Ancestors



Paperback: 256 pages

Publisher: Family Tree Books; Revised edition (April 19, 2011)
ISBN-10: 1440311935
ISBN-13: 978-1440311932
Retail Price: $24.99
Amazon Price: $18.99

Charles W. Brown & Elvah Norquist

One of my favorite features of my genealogy software, Family Tree Maker 2 for Mac, is its ability to create calendars of people in my tree birthdates and marriage anniversaries.  I like it because I can use it as a reality check to verify some of the data I have, moreover it reminds me to wish various folks who are still living well wishes.  
It reported that Elvah and Charles W. Brown, my grandaunt and granduncle would be celebrating their 78th wedding anniversary.  I knew that Charles had passed many years ago but I didn’t know what happened to Elvah.  I looked a bit more at my tree and found that I had forgotten that Charles had remarried another woman in Alaska sometime later.  I knew that Charles had had five children but didn’t know which ones were from which mother.  I knew that in order for my software to present the correct information, I needed to determine the relationship status of Charles and Elvah.  Did she die or did they divorce? 
I first looked at my tree on Ancestry and looked to see if anyone else had family trees on Charles.  There were several trees there that included Charles and Elvah but none with any details or sources better than mine. No easy shortcuts.
Minnesota Marriages are really easy to get information on because of MOMS (Minnesota Official Marriage System).  (If you are doing marriage research in Minnesota, this site is a must!) Not only can you get the basic information, but you can order a copy on-line if you want to.  One really useful feature of the system is that you can enter the last name of the groom and the first name of the bride and search for both bride and groom.  A search for Brown and Elvah yielded:
CROW WING  R-17    5/8/1943   BLISS, RAYMOND N.  BROWN, ELVAH
CROW WING  N-535   2/23/1935  BROWN, CHARLES     NORQUIST, ELVAH
There they were, Charles and Elvah married in 1935. 
I already found Charles in Cass County in the 1920 and 1930 using Ancestry.Com censuses so their being married in Crow Wing County was understandable. Probably were married in the big city of Brainerd. I quickly found Elva in the 1930 census living with her father and mother in Brainerd. I also found her in the 1920 census living with father and mother.  Perfect.  
When searching for them in the 1940 census, I came across a first for the censuses.  She was listed as “Brown, Charles – wife – male – 27 – married…- housewife” living with her mother and father, “same house” as in 1935, and the same address as in 1930. With her is son, Glen Brown. No male Charles in the household. So it appeared that he may be her only child with Charles. 
From Charles’ obituary in 1990, I knew the names of his children. Family Search’s Minnesota Birth Index 1935-2002 provided all their middle names and their mother’s names. Glen was born to Elva and the others to Dora. The oldest of Dora’s children was born in 1946. So it appeared that the Elvah Brown marriage to Raymond Bliss was probably the correct Elvah so I went with that, tentatively.
So, if Elvah was with her family in 1940, where was Charles?  I found him in the 1940 census living as a lodger with Woodrow and Beulah Wilson in Township 134, Range 29, which was the Western portion of an unorganized township north of Baxter, about six miles from Brainerd.  He was listed as single.  Neither the head of household (Woodrow) nor Charles had worked in the previous 52 weeks. An understandable reason why Charles and Evlah had separated and why she was living with her parents in 1940. I think that in 1940, Charles had moved on and at least considered himself single while Elvah was still struggling with her identity as a married woman.  I estimate they were divorced sometime in 1940. Charles is buried at the Gull River Cemetery
A little more searching on the Brainerd Daily Dispatch found that Charles and Elva had another son in 1936.  Knowing that I was able to find his birth record. Their child Henry Lester Brown was born on 24 Nov 1936 and died on 17 Jan 1937, at about seven weeks old.  There are a number of articles regarding Charles in 1938 and 1939 regarding his not supporting his family, being order by the court to pay, etc.

I don’t know of an online source of  Minnesota Divorce Records before 1970.  If anyone know of one, let me know in the comments below. In the meantime, I guess I’ll look and see if anything shows up in the Brainerd paper.

Gebert Huber and Anna Altman.

As I mentioned before, I was excited to find the Huber/Trumpi Marriage Record in the Wisconsin Marriages 1836-1930.  It gave me John Huber’s birthplace, parents names, and Bertha Trumpi’s parents names.  I decided to order the film of the record via the Family Search and have it delivered to my closest Family History Center. I was very pleased that it was only $7.50 (instead of Wisconsin’s $20) and that I would have the opportunity to get a couple more records of potential relatives off that spool.

The spool came in last Wednesday and I was able to get to the center last Saturday.  I loaded up the film and away I went.  Rolled to the right record (thanks to the reference number in the Index) and there they were.  I had to fire up the machine next to it, start up the capture software, and then capture the image.  A bit cumbersome the first time, but after I got the hang of it it went well.  Great scans of the image at 400 Pixels per inch.  Nice.  Save the files to a thumb drive. I then saved the images of the other folks I might be interested in and was done in just a few minutes

The most interesting new bit of information from the image was the “Names of subscribing witnesses.”

Gebert Huber andAnna Altman with
John and Bertha Trumpi Huber (bride & groom)
2 Mar 1905 – New Glarus, Green County, Wisconsin

Gebert Huber  and Anna Altman.  It was particularly cool because I have a photo of John and Bertha with two other individuals, presumably the best man and bride’s maid – aka the witnesses.  So a new bit of information and new questions.

There are at least two Anna Altmans in the New Glarus/GreenCounty area that could be the Anna in the photo. Looking at the families there, I’m not seeing anything that links them together.  The Altmans came to New Glarus many years earlier.  However, maybe they, or someone close to them were the “aunt and uncle” that brought Bertha to the States. Lots more to dig into.

Gebert Huber — same last name as my Johann/John Huber.  Coincidence or family.  It is often that the brother of the groom.  Could this be a brother?  Maybe I can find where Gebert came to the states.  Maybe he came for the wedding.  Again, so much more to dig into.  The research never ends.

I’ll probably look into Rev. A. Roth and see exactly who he was.  He performed an “ecclesiastical” ceremony.

I am incredibly pleased that Family Search has their Family Heritage Centers around the country and provides the service of providing images for research.  I had never used the service before and am extremely glad that I did.  It worked well for me.  I highly recommend using it if you can.