Mannin in Carter County – 1870 Census

Census Sunday
By Don Taylor

Photo of Don Taylor with cat Nasi.In my look at the Mannin Family of Carter County during the 1880 Census, I discovered six families and 37 individuals. Continuing, I would expect to find five families during the 1870 Census. Meredith A. Mannin would be 14-years-old and would be expected to be with his parents.

1870 Census

A search for “Mannin” in Carter County, Kentucky, yielded six families who were enumerated in the county in 1880. All six were in Precinct 4; all were in Enumeration District 15, suggesting they all lived nearby each other. They were:

Enock Mannon (Enoch Mannin in 1880 Census) – Born c. 1822.

      • Manuroa Mannon (Manerva in the 1880 Census) – Born c. 1822.
      • Meredith Mannon (Age 24 in the 1880 Census) – Born c. 1851.
      • Mary Mannon – Born c. 1854.
      • Gazzeller Mannon – Born c. 1854.
      • Prudence Mannon – Born c. 1854.

Isaac Mannin – I have not been successful in finding Isaac, Tennessee, or Samuel McKee Mannin in the 1870 Census. I would expect them to be 22, 22, and 2 years old, respectively.

Thomas Mannen – (Thomas H. Mannin in 1880 Census) – Born c. 1827.

      • Rachal 1839
      • Merideth 1854
      • Sarah 1857
      • John 1859
      • Samuel 1861
      • Mary 1863
      • Zachariah 1865

There are two (implied) older children living in the household, Merideth, and Sarah. Sarah probably married out before the 1880 Census. Merideth, in this family, could be the same Meredith I’ve previously ascribed as the son of Enoch. I will need to look at the two Meredith more carefully and figure out which Meredith married whom and had which children.

Tubil Mannan (Tubal Mannin in 1880 Census) – Born c. 1831.

      • Elizabeth Mannan – Born c. 1834, VA.
      • Mary Mannan – Born c. 1854.
      • Martha Mannan – Born c. 1856.
      • John Mannan – Born c. 1858.
      • Vanlandingham Mannan – Born c. 1862.
      • James Mannon – Born c. 1864.
      • Sarah Mannon – Born c. 1868.

Two daughters, Mary & Martha, probably “married out” between the 1870 and 1880 censuses.

Wm C Manning – (Mannin in 1880 Census) – Born ca. 1846.

      • Martha E Mannin Born c. 1850
      • Alvin Mannin Age 10/12 (Born Aug 1869)

The family was living in Pendleton County, Kentucky, which is about 30 miles south of Cincinnati and about a hundred miles west of Carter County. That means the William C. Manning family moved from west to east between 1870 and 1880.

I discovered one new individual, Merideth Mannin. Living with him was a Richardson family consisting of a husband and wife with three children and three additional teenagers. One is likely the sister of James Richardson (based on age and surname); the other two were Ruben and Evaline Tapp.

Follow-up

Look at the two Meredith Mannins in the 1870 Census more carefully and figure out which Meredith married whom and had which children.

Conclusion

The 1870 Census didn’t provide any real clarity to understanding the Mannin families of mid 19th century Carter County. It did lead to other questions about which of two Meredith Mannin’s was the one enumerated in the 1880 Census.

Sources

    • 1870 Census (NARA), 1870 – Enock Mannon – Grayson, Carter, Kentucky – Page 10. Year: 1870; Census Place: Precinct 4, Carter, Kentucky; Roll M593_454; Page: 131B; Image: 266; Family History Library Film: 545953. http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?h=17854241&db=1870usfedcen&indiv=1.
    • 1870 Census (NARA), 1870 – Thomas Mannen. “United States Census, 1870”, database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MX75-MTZ : 18 March 2020), Entry for Thomas Mannen, 1870.
    • 1870 Census (NARA), 1870 – Tubil Mannan. “United States Census, 1870”, database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MX75-M51 : 18 March 2020), Entry for Tubil Mannan, 1870.
    • 1870 Census (NARA), 1870 – William C Manning – Pendleton, Kentucky. “United States Census, 1870”, database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MX4M-QB6 : 19 March 2020), Entry for Wm C Manning, 1870.

Mannin in Carter County – 1880 Census

Census Sunday
By Don Taylor

Photo of Don Taylor with cat Nasi.One of my truly difficult lines to follow is my 2nd great-grandmother, Elisa Jane [or Lisa J.] (Fannin) Mannin. Several other researcher’s trees suggest her maiden surname was “Mannin” and was probably a cousin of John William Mannin. I have only discovered her named in one or two documents.

In any event, I want to understand the Mannin families of Carter County, Kentucky in the mid to late 1800s. I have very little direct evidence regarding the Mannin family and how various relations exist. So, if I start with the 1880 Census, which describes relationships, I should be able to track the families back in time.

1880 Census

A search for “Mannin” in Carter County, Kentucky yielded six families who were enumerated in the county in 1880. All six were in Precinct 4 and all were in Enumeration District 15, suggesting they all lived nearby each other. They were:

Enoch Mannin – Sheet 547D – Previously incorporated in my tree.

      • Enoch, Head – Age 57.
      • Manerva, wife – Age 59.

Isaac Mannin – Sheet 547D – Apparently the 2nd head of household in the same dwelling – Previously incorporated.

      • Isaac Mannin,                    Head – Age 32
      • Tenisee Mannin,               Wife – Age 32
      • Sam Mc Kee Mannin        Son – Age 12
      • Henry M Mannin               Son – Age 9
      • Frances P Mannin             Son – Age 7
      • James H Mannin                Son – Age 5
      • Phodeena Mannin             Daughter – Age 0

Merideth A. Mannin – Sheet 546B – Previously incorporated.

      • Merideth A Mannin Head – Age 24
      • Sousan F Mannin      Wife – Age 25
      • Rachal E Mannin       Daughter – Age 3
      • Sarah M Mannin        Daughter – Age 1

Thomas H. Mannin – Sheet 546A – Previously incorporated.

      • Thos H Mannin            Head – Age 52
      • Rachal Mannin             Wife – Age 42
      • John J Mannin               Son – Age 21
      • Samuel T Mannin        Son – Age 19
      • Mary D Mannin            Daughter – Age 17
      • Zachariah W Mannin Son – Age 15
      • Eliza F Mannin             Daughter – Age 5

Tubal Mannin – Sheet 539D – Previously incorporated.

      • Tubal Mannin                Head – Age 50[i]
      • Elizabeth J Mannin       Wife – Age 44 (Born Virginia)
      • John L Mannin                Son – Age 22
      • Valandinghan Mannin Son – Age 16
      • James S Mannin             Son – Age 14
      • Sarah C Mannin             Daughter – Age 10
      • Amanda L Mannin        Daughter – Age 7
      • Willie Mannin                Son – Age 1
      • Killie Mannin                Daughter – Age 1

William C Mannin – Sheet 546A – New Family for me.  I entered Names, relationships, year and place of birth and residence during the 1880 Census based upon this record.

      • Wm C Mannin            Head – Age 34
      • Martha E Mannin     Wife – Age 30
      • Alvin Mannin              Son – Age 10
      • Montaville Mannin  Son – Age 9
      • Silas Mannin               Son – Age 8
      • Arminta Mannin       Daughter – Age 5
      • Asbury Mannin          Son – Age 2
      • William C Mannin    Son – Age 0

All of the individuals were born in Kentucky except for Tubal’s wife, Elizabeth [Mannin].

Conclusion

Six families and 37 individuals with the Mannin surname lived, according to the 1880 Census, in Carter County in 1880. Note: John William Mannin(g) and his wife, Lisa, appear to be living in adjoining Rowan County, Kentucky during the 1880 Census.

Sources

  • 1880 Census, 1880 – Enoch Mannin – Precinct 4, Carter, Kentucky – ED 15, Page 20 (FS). Year: 1880; Census Place: Precinct 4, Carter, Kentucky; Roll T9_408; Family History Film: 1254408; Page: 547.4000; Enumeration District: 15; Image: 0374.
  • 1880 Census, 1880 – Isaac Wilson Mannin – Precinct 4, Carter, Kentucky; Roll: 408; Family. “United States Census, 1880,” database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MCCH-V4Y : 29 August 2017), Phodeena Mannin in household of Isaac Mannin, Precinct 4, Carter, Kentucky, United States; citing enumeration district ED 15, sheet 547D, NARA microfilm publication T9 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.), FHL microfilm 1,254,408.
  • 1880 Census, 1880 – Merideth A. Mannin -. “United States Census, 1880,” database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MCCH-NXL : 29 August 2017), Sarah M Mannin in household of Merideth A Mannin, Precinct 4, Carter, Kentucky, United States; citing enumeration district ED 15, sheet 546B, NARA microfilm publication T9 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.), FHL microfilm 1,254,408.
  • 1880 Census, 1880 – Thomas H Mannin – Precinct No. 4 – Carter, Kentucky. “United States Census, 1880,” database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MCCH-N6P : 29 August 2017), Eliza F Mannin in household of Thos H Mannin, Precinct 4, Carter, Kentucky, United States; citing enumeration district ED 15, sheet 546A, NARA microfilm publication T9 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.), FHL microfilm 1,254,408.
  • 1880 Census, 1880 – Tubal Mannin, Precinct 4, Carter, Kentucky. “United States Census, 1880,” database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MCCH-FZ8 : 29 August 2017), Killie Mannin in household of Tubal Mannin, Precinct 4, Carter, Kentucky, United States; citing enumeration district ED 15, sheet 539D, NARA microfilm publication T9 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.), FHL microfilm 1,254,408.
  • 1880 Census, 1880 – William C. Mannin. “United States Census, 1880,” database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MCCH-FCB : 29 August 2017), William C Mannin in household of Wm C Mannin, Precinct 4, Carter, Kentucky, United States; citing enumeration district ED 15, sheet 546A, NARA microfilm publication T9 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.), FHL microfilm 1,254,408.”United States Census, 1880,” database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MCCH-FCB : 29 August 2017), William C Mannin in household of Wm C Mannin, Precinct 4, Carter, Kentucky, United States; citing enumeration district ED 15, sheet 546A, NARA microfilm publication T9 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.), FHL microfilm 1,254,408.

Endnotes

[i]  Other records suggest Tubal was born in Missouri.

 

Lisa J Fannin and the Ancestry Trees.

Brown-Manning-Fannin
By Don Taylor

Photo of Don Taylor with cat Nasi.I’ve never been entirely comfortable with my entries for family relationships for my Great-grandmother, Mary Elizabeth Manning. I know my tree in that area goes back 30 years ago or more and was based upon other people’s trees. I know that her sister was Phoebe Jane Manning. It appears that her father was John William Manning and her mother was Lisa (possibly Elisa) Jane Fannin. The problem is that I don’t have sources for those relationships. I also believe that she had a half-brother, Robert J. Manning. Again, I don’t have much in the way of sources for that information.  So, I thought I look at other people’s trees on Ancestry and see what they have for sources.  There were two women that appeared to be my ancestor:

  1. Elisa J Fannin (1861-1880), married to John Mannen (1841-1919). The only source used in any of five trees that relate to her only cite other trees. Additionally, this John Mannen died in 1919, which would be inconsistent with other aspects of my Lisa Fannin’s husband.
  2. Lisa J. Mannin (1861-1880), married to John William “Joe” Mannin. This John Mannin appears to be correct, however, I’m not convinced this is the correct individual either, but more about that after I’ve analyzed the documents. Ancestry indicates there are 58 trees associated with Lisa J. Mannin.

The majority of trees that Ancestry associates associated with Lisa J. Mannin only have other trees as their sources, however, the first tree has 2 sources associated with it. So, I’ll take a look at those first.

1880 Census – I had already found John and Lisa in the 1880 Census. Nothing new there.

1870 Census – George M. Mannin household consisting of an implied wife and four children. Lisa’s name in this census is Louisa J. Mannin. The age is correct (9) but the name is different, and the location is questionable. This Census location is Greenup County. John lived in Bath County before the Civil War and He and Lisa lived in Rowan county in 1880. The logistics of a young girl marrying an older man from two counties away seems difficult for me to reconcile.

So, absent any compelling connections, I will not ascribe Louisa to my Lisa; however, I will add tracing the George M. Mannin household to future tasks.

Kentucky Marriage Records – The next source shows the marriage between John W. Mannin to Sarah J Garvin. The couple took out a license on July 29, 1868 and married the following day in Carter County by a Judge of CC. The individual whose tree provided this source is incorrect in ascribing it to John and Elisa’s marriage. However, it might provide insight into who might have been John’s son’s mother. I tentatively added this record as a “first marriage for John W. Mannin.” There is nothing compelling that this John W. Mannin is my (2nd Great-Grandfather) John Mannin other than name and location. I need to find other evidence to collaborate this is my John W. Mannin.

1860 Census – Simon Manning household consisting of an implied wife and one child, a girl Eliza Manning. Lisa was 19 in the 1880 Census, so it appears unlikely this two-year-old is the same person. I might add a note to Lisa’s profile: Do not confuse with Eliza Manning, born 1857-1858 Implied daughter of Simon and Polloy Manning.

There are 14 private trees identified on Ancestry which appear to have Lisa J. Mannin. All of them either have no records or only 1 record associated to Lisa. As such, I suspect they are all citing Ancestry Trees.

Conclusion

Other people didn’t have sources any better than mine. So, I should probably explore surname studies or other research avenues.

Future Actions

Trace the George M. Mannin household through other censuses.

The George M. Mannin household in 1870[i] consisted of:

      • George Mannin           49
      • Elizabeth Mannin        33
      • Martha A                     12
      • John B                         10
      • Louisa J                         9
      • James D                        8

Follow John W. Mannin and his wife Sarah Gavin in other records.


ENDNOTES

[i] Year: 1870; Census Place: Precinct 3, Greenup, Kentucky; Roll: M593_466; Page: 67A; Family History Library Film: 545965

 

Mother’s Day 2020 – Dancing Trees

Today, I remember my mother, who passed away last fall. I miss her love of art, music, and poetry.  She wrote the following poem many years ago and remember her as I recite it out loud.

Dancing Trees

By Sylvia Matson

‘Have you ever seen trees dance?’
My grandma asked me
As I snuggled on her lap
One lovely summer day.

‘Trees are big and strong.
Their roots run deep in the soil,’
I laughed and said. ‘Trees can’t dance.
I’m sure, grandma, you’re wrong.’

‘Oh, my darling grandchild,
You’re looking the wrong way.
Instead of looking down, dear one,
Look up high today.

‘See how the leaves and
Branches reach up toward the sky?
They seem to twist and sway
As the breezes wander by.

‘Sometimes you hear the
Rustle of leaves high in the air.
They sound almost like
Pretty skirts, ladies used to wear.

‘Next time you walk
Among the trees,
Look up. Then you’ll agree.
Grandma was right.

Trees can dance and
Do so beautifully.’

Montrans in the News – Annual Concert at Ocean City

Montran Monday
By Don Taylor

Photo of Don Taylor with cat Nasi.

This week for Montran Monday[i], I found an article from the Philadelphia Inquirer dated 22 July 1917. 

Article transcription:

ANNUAL CONCERT AT OCEAN CITY

Musical Feast to Be Given at Yacht Club July 27 With Noted Quartette

Plan for Dance Thursday Next for Benefit of Hahnemann Base Hospital Fund

 OCEAN CITY, N. J., July 21—The…

[Eight paragraphs then]

“Mrs. M. W. Montran and daughter, Miss Ruth, of West Philadelphia, were guests this week of W. Ward Beam, and wife at their apartments here.”

Source:

Philadelphia Inquirer, Philadelphia, PA, July 22, 1917, Page six. Found via Genealogy Bank.

Analysis

This is clearly Maude Winter Montran (1875-1931) and her daughter Ruth Grace Montran.

Maude lived in Philadelphia in 1910 and in San Francisco in 1920. As such it makes sense that Maude and Ruth would visit friends or family before the move. Alternately, Maude’s other daughter, Thelma, was married in 1916 or 1917. Ocean City was a great place for marriages and Maude and Ruth could have been in New Jersey for Thelma’s wedding and then stayed with the Beams.

Future Actions

  • Research Thelma’s wedding date & location.
  • Research Mr. & Mrs. W. Ward Beam. Are they related?

ENDNOTES

[i] Montran Monday – My grandmother’s father was John Montran. She used the surname, as a young child and again when she began in show business. The name is uncommon and most of the Montrans I see in the newspapers are my grandmother during her early vaudeville career. However, with the constant flow of newly digitized material, I often learn of new articles which contain the Montran name. I pay attention to the finding and try to determine a possible relationship of any Montrans to Donna’s father, John Montran.