Bert Allen Roberts (1903-1949) – Date of Birth Proof

Roberts Research
Roberts Line
Birth
By Don Taylor

Today I examine the conflict in Bert Allen Roberts’ birthdate. Some documents and researchers report he was born on 20 Sep 1902, some on 20 Sep 1903, and others on 7 Sep 1903.

Ancestor #4

Sources

1922 – Marriage License – 20 Sep 1902[i]

The earliest birth record I’ve found regarding Bert’s birthdate is his marriage license. It clearly indicates that his birthdate is 20 Sep. This record appears to have been copied by a clerk into a set form, because the signatures of Bert, Essie, and the clerk appear to be of the same hand, with the same pen.

Indiana Marriages, 1811-2007 – Bert Allen Roberts, Date of Birth (via FamilySearch.org)

1941 – Birth Certificate – 7 Sep 1903[ii]

Bert’s Birth Certificate clearly indicates he was born on 7 Sep 1903. Generally, a birth certificate is the best document, however, although not identified as “delayed,” it was not reported until 8 Jul 1941. The information was provided by William Alonzo Scott (Uncle). William Alonzo was not Bert’s uncle, rather he was Bert’s great-uncle (Clora’s uncle).

1942 – Draft Registration – 7 Sep 1903[iii]

Bert completed his Draft Registration. As I understand it, a Birth Certificate was required to register for the draft. That would be the likely reason a “delayed” certificate was created. It is possible that Bert used the same date as his Birth Certificate to eliminate registration problems.

1949 – Death Certificate – 9-7-1903[iv]

The informant for Bert’s Death Certificate was his wife, “Mrs. Bert Roberts – Detroit, Mich” (Essie). She supplied 7 Sep 1903 as his birthdate also.

Census Records

Because there is a year difference between the documents Census Records might provide further insight into his birth year and consequently his birth date.

    • 1910 – Age 6 – Suggesting birth in 1903 (presuming a September birth).
    • 1920 – Age 16 – Suggesting birth in 1903.
    • 1930 – Age 26 – Suggesting birth in 1903.
    • 1940 – Age 36 – Suggesting birth in 1903.

So, all of the Census records are consistent with the birthdate of 7 September 1903 and not 1902 (20 September)

Conclusion

Bert Allen Roberts was born 7 September 1903. I have set that date as my preferred birth date.


ENDNOTES

[i] Indiana Marriage, 1811-2019, Family Search, Bert Allen Roberts – Essie Pansy Barnes – Marriage License. citing: Sullivan, Indiana, United States, Marriage Registration, Indiana Commission on Public Records, Indianapolis; FHL microfilm 004170594. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XXF1-HZN.
Source: Derivative, Transcribed by a clerk.
Clarity: Clear, Item 4, clearly readable, “When born September 20, 1902.”
Information: Primary, The document indicates Bert Allen Roberts provided the information.
Evidence: Direct, Date is clearly stated.

[ii] Illinois Births and Christenings, 1824-1940, Family Search, Bert Allen Roberts – Birth 7 Sep 1903. See Image 970 of 1538. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:H9FF-PCT2.
Source: Original, Information was entered by a clerk, however it is clear William signed it.
Clarity: Clear, Item 7, clearly readable, “Date of Birth Sept 7, 1903.”
Information: Secondary, Although the certificate indicates William was “the Attendant at this Birth,” I just don’t find that likely. That was a prefilled statement required by all who reported birth information
Evidence: Direct, Date is clearly stated.

[iii] U.S. WWII Draft Cards Young Men, 1940-1947, Ancestry.Com, Bert Allen Roberts – Born 7 Sep 1903 – Registe3red 16 Feb 1942.
Source: Original, Information may have been entered by the registrar, but it is clear that Bert signed the card.
Clarity: Clear, Item 5, clearly readable, “Date of Birth Sept 7 1903.”
Information: Primary, The document indicates Bert Allen Roberts provided the information.

[iv] Indiana, U.S., Death Certificates, 1899-2011 (Indiana Archives & Records Administration), Ancestry, Bert Roberts – Death 1 May 1949. Indiana Archives and Records Administration; Indianapolis, IN, USA; Death Certificates; Year: 1949; Roll: 06. https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/29390250?h=dae87f.
Source: Original.
Clarity: Clear, Item 8, clearly readable, “9-7-1903.”
Information: Secondary, the information was provided by his wife.
Evidence: Direct, Date is clearly stated.

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My Paternal Grandfather’s Matrilineal Line

Saturday Night Genealogy Fun
By Don Taylor

Photo of Don Taylor with cat Nasi.Recently, Randy Seaver, in his “Saturday Night Genealogy Fun” post, suggested folks document “Their paternal grandfather’s matrilineal line (i.e., the mother of your paternal grandfather, and her mother, etc.).”

Here’s mine.

My paternal grandfather is Bert Allen Roberts (1903-1949)


His mother was  Clora Dell Scott (1883-1945), who married Hugh Ellis Roberts (1882-1908) on 7 Oct 1900 in Jefferson County, Illinois.

Drawing of Amanda Jane (Haley) Scott

Amanda Jane Haley Scott – From the Chris H. Bailey photo collection.

Her mother was Amanda Jane Haley (1861-1889), who married Samuel Vaden Scott (1862-1931) on 24 May 1879 in Goode, Franklin County, Illinois.

Her mother was Martha Melinda Montgomery (1841-1914), who married Andrew J. Haley (1836-1905) on 20 Aug 1857 in Manchester, Coffee County, Tennessee.

Her mother was Syrena Meadows (1815-___), who married Leonard L Montgomery (1814-___).


I do not know the parents of Syrena Meadows, her marriage date to Leonard Montgomery, or her death date. With so many ancestors (127 to 4th great-grandparents), I just haven’t had time to research Syrena’s life. She is currently #20 on my “Roberts-Barnes Ancestors to Research” list.

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Photo Friday – Martelle & Martin

Ethel Wight Collection – Part 88

Photo Friday
Ethel Wight Collection
By Don Taylor

Photo of Don Taylor with cat Nasi.

This week, for Photo Friday, I identify the people in five more envelopes from the Ethel Wight Studio Collection[i]. The envelopes contain the names who paid for the photos, not necessarily of the individual portrayed in the image. As such, it is vital to analyze the pictures and information to identify the individual therein.[ii] Ultimately, my goal is to reunite the photos with family members who may have never seen the image.


Cora Martin, Nurse, circa 1935.

The envelope this negative was in says, “Miss Cora Martin, St. Barnabus Hospital #522.”

Why I believe this to be the individual.


Cora Martin, Nurse, circa 1935.

The 1940 US Census lists 35-year-old Cora E Martin, a Trained Nurse, living with her parents, Wilbur L and Mame W Martin at 94 Cottage Street, Westbrook.

  • The 1938 Westbrook City Directory lists Cora E Martin employed in Portland, and residing at 94 Cottage.
  • Cora married Charles M Austin, of Bethel, ME, on 21 September 1940.
  • This is a photo of Cora taken about 1935 when Cora was about 30 years old.

    Alternate Individuals.

    Ancestry has 15 public trees that refer to Cora Martin, daughter of Wilbur and Mimie (Clemons) Martin. Family Search has profile GQ8R-1B7 for Cora Martin. I  have uploaded two photos of her to her Family Search Memories. 

    Memorial, 121383629 for Cora Martin Austin on Find-a-Grave includes a high school photo.

    Eva Martin, circa 1935.

    This negative envelope says, “Miss Eva Martin, 84 Clark St #420.”

    Why I believe this to be the individual.


    Eva Martin, circa 1935.

    The 1930 US Census lists Maine-born, 14-year-old, Eva B Martin, the daughter of Charles W and Dora M Martin living at 84 Clark Street, Portland.

  • Ancestry Family Trees suggest this is Eva Beverly Martin, born 10 December 1915.
  • This photo is of Eva Martin, about 1935 when she was about 20 years old.

    Ancestry has nine public trees that refer to Eva Martin, born on 10 December 1915. Family Search has profile LK1Y-8QZ for Eva. I have uploaded two photos of her to her Family Search Memories.

    Ida Martelle, Nursing Student, circa 1934.

    This negative envelope says, “Miss Ida Martelle, 195 Holm Ave, #249.”

    Why I believe this to be the individual.


    Ida Martelle, Nursing Student, circa 1934.

    The 1930 US Census lists 16-year-old Ida Martella living with her parents Peter P and Rosie Martella at 195 Holm Ave. Ida was born in Colorado.

  • Ancestry family trees suggest that this is Ida Martelle, born 1 April 1914 in Pueblo, Colorado. She is the daughter of Pietro Paul “Peter” and Rosina (Petrill) Martelle.
  • I believe this photo is of Ida Martelle, circa 1934, while she was a nursing student.

    Ida Martelle is found in 25 Ancestry public trees. Family Search has profile G9V3-C4V for Ida Martel, daughter of Peter and Rosina (Petrille) Martella. I uploaded two photos of her to her Family Search Memories.

    Millicent Martin, Nursing Student, circa 1934.

    This negative envelope says, “Miss Millicent Martin, ME Gen Hospital #324.”

    Why I believe this to be the individual.


    Millicent Martin, Nursing Student, circa 1934.

    The 1935 Portland City Directory lists Millicent Martin as a student nurse at 22 Arsenal (Maine General Hospital).

  • The 1940 US Census lists Millicent Martin, a 25-year-old registered nurse at the Maine General Hospital.
  • The 1930 US Census lists Millicent M. Martin, as the 15-year-old daughter of Carrol R and Charlotte B Martin, living in Caratunk, Maine.
  • Ancestry has 14 public trees that refer to Millicent Mae “Millie” Martin, born 13 November 1914 in West Forks, Maine. Family Search has profile LKWX-QHC for Millicent. I  uploaded two photos of her to her Family Search Memories.

    Millicent Martin, circa 1936.

    This negative envelope says, “Miss Millicent Martin, ME. Gen. Hospital #1052.”


    Millicent Martin, circa 1936.

    This is the same woman as above about two years later with the same name, and same location as in 1934.

    Ancestry has 14 public trees that refer to Millicent Mae “Millie” Martin, born 13 November 1914 in West Forks, Maine. Family Search has profile for LKWX-QHC. I uploaded two photos of her to her Family Search Memories.


    Conclusion

    I fully identified all four individuals in five different photo packages. All of them have Family Search profiles, so I uploaded their images to their Family Search Memories.

    If any of these photos are of your family member, I would love to hear your reaction. Especially if this photo is of a loved one for whom you hadn’t seen this photograph before.

    Due to software limitations, the images uploaded to Family Search have a higher image quality than the images linked here.

    For all postings of the Ethel Wight Collection, please see here.


    Endnotes

    [i] The Wight Studio was in Portland, Maine. Many thanks to Ethel Wight’s family for access to and permission to use the collection of their great aunt.

    [ii] These images were converted to positives using a lightbox, a Nikon camera and computer software.

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    Donna Darling – Lincoln Theatre, Belleville, IL – 6 October 1925

    Donna in the News
    by Don Taylor

    Photo of Don Taylor with cat Nasi.“Donna in the News” is my reporting of newly found newspaper articles and advertisements regarding my grandmother, Madonna Montran (aka Donna Montran and Donna Darling). I am always excited to find a new venue for my grandmother’s exciting show business career of the 1910s and 1920s.


    This week from the Belleville Daily News-Democrat (Belleville, IL) newspaper dated 6 October 1925, I learned that Donna played at the Lincoln Theater in October 1925

    Excellent Bill at the Lincoln

    Ad for Donna Darling and Girls. 

    … In Vaudeville are Meyer & Nolan in Lyrics of Laughter, Padgett & Harmon “Two Sunflowers from Dixie” and Donna Darling and girls in their “Song and Dance Revue.”

    Also, the were display ads showing her bill.

    Because of those newly available online articles at Newspapers.com, I was able to add another venue for Donna’s exciting vaudeville career.

    October 5-7, 1925 – Belleville, Illinois – Lincoln Theatre – Donna Darling & Girls in “Her Little Revue.”

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    Happy Birthday Hugh Ellis Roberts

    July 2, 1884

    Hugh Ellis Roberts, 1901

    Today, I remember my great-grandfather, Hugh Ellis Roberts. He was born on 2 July 1884 in Spring Garden, Jefferson County, Illinois. Hugh married Clora Dell Scott on 6 October 1900 in Jefferson County, Illinois.

    He died on 30 August 1908 (of consumption) in Ina, Jefferson County, IL, at the age of 24, and was buried at Hammond Cemetery, Sesser, Franklin County Illinois. He left behind four children, twins Harry & Carrie, my grandfather Bert, and a daughter Mabel.

    For more information on Hugh Ellis Roberts see:

    If you have an image of Hugh or know more about his life, I would love to hear from you. If Hugh Ellis Roberts is your ancestor, I would love to share information with you. Please let me know how we are related.

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